Leslie Leftley
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Hi Kristin,
I have made a few observations on the three blog posts currently on your website. I have sent you an email.
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hi again Malik,
I submitted my email details for the free download, but I didn’t receive anything in my inbox…or spam folder. So you might want to check that out. I used my regular AOL account when providing my email address.
So I, very cheekily, clicked on Norma’s link and hot an MP 3 file which I will have listen to, or at least part listen to, to see if I can glean anything useful, to me, from it.
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Hi Malik,
Is it you and your team behind this? If so massive kudos to you for getting something out there.
If they are your products, or you have some exclusive right deal, can you give us some idea of the success you have had using the various methods recommended by this bundled set of courses.
We don’t need exact figures, just things like it took me “x” amount of months/years to get to a regular 4 figures or 5 figures a month.
If this is PLR (and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that by the way) you have acquired then well done for taking action.
However, with all that said: The sales letter is far too similar to the majority of those I see in my inbox each day.
How will you get this noticed over any other online money making products? (Except within the captive audience of PreneurPal and most members, unfortunately, wont see it from my experience of this group)
Where is your unique positioning?
Why are these courses any better than the hundreds of similar offers out there in the $17 to $97 range?
Why should I buy from you and not a more recognized name online?
If this is PLR do you use it yourself, or have you at least tested its viability?
You are aiming at newbies as well as more experienced sellers so is it step by step?
Just a few points for you to ponder, but at least you are taking action.
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Thanks Julie, for the great answers and all your work taken to get this FB strategy to us.
The only thing I would say is that I am entirely aware that you have to put excellent stuff out there, and indeed the best of my entry level materials would be better than most paid products currently being offered and this, of course, should be given away freely. However (And as I said before) after tending and caring for my potential customers for a coupe of months, I would erratically want to get them off FB and onto my website and list ASAP.
So I would make use of the greater part of your system, but only as a means to an end. Once tehy are on my email list they will be given the detail instructions that are not suited to FB.
On that list I would give away far more detailed a top rate content. You can’t really do detail on FB. Eventually high end courses would be offered, but I would continue to feed my growing list with the very best information possible to help with their specific and associated needs
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Hi Julia,
It’s weird but sometimes I am already logged into PreneurPal even after logging out.
Interesting to know about not having to be logged into PreneurPal to check the Ask Anything section. Although I still don’t think their would be more than a handful of people doing that. If they were that interested they would login and have a look around, at least once a week.
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Hi Jen,
I left a comment on your video, reviewing the Logo Creator on your YT channel. You are enthusiastic and I am sure you will improve over time.
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Hi again Jen,
I subscribed to your YT channel and had written some comments on one of your reviews. Then, because I had set it on Play all, the video moved onto your next one and I lost the whole of my comment. Then the sound went on Youtube, which was weird. Not the fault of my machine though, as I then played a Facebook video. I will try again over the next few days.
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Hi again Jen,
I also sent you a friend request:)
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Well done indeed Jen,
Great idea Jen if you can stand to put up with a lot of rubbish and find some gems among them. You have more patience than me, as I have seen so much rubbish it would make you cringe. I’m glad you are enthusiastic for it as otherwise it would be a hard slog.
I don’t envy you the task, but if you can set up online hubs where people can get 100 per cent honest, and above board, reviews and not the usual mutual back scratching guru review crap.
I will certainly give your resources the once over in the next few days.
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Hi Robert,
I am not a particularly religious man, but I wish you a swift return to excellent health.
And may your god go with you!
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Hi Steve,
If you become friends with another within the group it makes it easier to follow that person and also to message them privately.
And yes we are already friends:)
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Hi Jan,
I found Blue host to be excellent. Especially in the customer service department. I only stopped using them because I never launched the website I had planned. Which is my own fault, and nothing to do with them.
They have access to trainings and, as I said, their support was always superb in my experience. Support can be live on screen, email or phone, and queries are answered swiftly and in detail. Also super easy to launch the latest WordPress sites from within their control panel. In fact they are one of the best hosting companies, if you are a WordPress user, as they understand that platform intimately.
The only gripe is that you pay annually, there is no monthly option (at the moment, and as far as I know). But because of that you get a great deal paying upfront for a whole year.
Just be aware that, as with all hosting companies, you will offered lots of bells and whistles, most of which you don’t need, as long as your business is still relatively small in scale.
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Richad,
MLM Is simple too and this appears to be very close to that business model. Except the cost of your offer is a lot higher.
Too rich for my blood. And, don’t forget, there are consulting firms out there (UK and US) that will look after any clients you personally recruit and who need online business help. And they wont charge you they will thank you for the business. Of course you have to find these consultancies, but that is not difficult.
You have to get the leads yourself but that is about getting out into your local business community. Talking to propel and growing confidence in making short presentations. Growing yourself in this way will give you a betting grounding than acting as a mere agent. i am sure you have training scripts and tips as all MLM does, but you are either cut out for it or you are not. The consultancy simply provides agents with leads thy don’t have the time or inclination to convert to sales. And some of those leads, in my experience are not exactly hot…more cool or tepid.
So correct me if I am wrong but the consultancy can be summed up as a lead factory, with a nice little earner on the side via the subscription. not saying it’s wrong I just think its outdated. People (agents) burn out too quickly and you continually need more. Of course you will have few star performers but then again so has Amway.
These All done for you “One stop” solutions look good on paper and the sales pitch is slick, but its a lot harder converting leads than people think.
If I did the providing of leads to your consultancy, why would I pay you $97 per month for the privilege. Is there an alternative model to the one you offer within your consultancy, whereby I provided the leads and you looked after their online business problems?
If you don’t have an alternative business model, then you simply you end up with a continuous churn of people working from obvious scripts, all of which the business owner has heard, variations of, before. No this is too much like MLM for me sorry. You are playing on the virtual push button approach, with just a bare minimum of effort, and they never work.
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Sean,
I hope that just because you have launched your traffic mastermind on how to cope with today’s declining returns from social media, that you keep the rest of us in mind, especially those of us who couldn’t take up your generous discount offers because it was still unaffordable.
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Yes Sean,
Leave it up I have seen far worse. It let’s people, within the group, see the reality of how much sweat and tears goes into keeping this group alive. I don’t think it will tear up any trees in most member’s heads though. Not that they are bad people it’s just human bloody nature. We are lazy mammals, and I include myself in that.
But if it gets it off your chest, and releases stress inside you, then that’s brilliant.
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Sean,
As raised in another recent thread (by Julia Rotgers), a lot of hard dedicated and targetted work over a period of months would be required. Effort require to get a 1000 subscribers may well have to be similar to the levels of action, you yourself had to take when you submitted all of those many, many ezine articles in the past.
I don’t, honestly, think many people have the zeal, and single mindedness, that you had, and still have now. That’s not being pessimistic that is just the hard, cold truth of the matter.
I may choose to use FB, when ready, to help grow a list, but after the groundwork had been done (several months later), I would not necessarily want to maintain a significant presence on FB as I would want to primarily talk to my list via email and Blog/Vlog.
We can’t avoid FB due to its massive reach and huge statistical information, but we must always remember it is primarily a Social platform and not a business one. And it is going to get more “social” not less in the future. So you either become a FB traffic expert with a bank roll and grow a list quickly through highly targeted ads. Or you spend a long time (at least 3 months but probably more if you want a 1000 “loyal” followers) nurturing relationships and giving help and advice within numerous FB groups. I would, if I so choose, have to take the latter option as I don’t have money to burn on ad spend.
While I would not ignore FB entirely, I would, if I am honest prefer to try and build an audience using YouTube, where people are more actively seeking help and advice.
But saying all that, if you have a way Sean, please feel free to continue sharing what you started to do, so brilliantly, several day ago through email.
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Sean,
I will be making initial preparations for my first official speech, that I will be giving to a Speaking club I have joined. It is only going to be 5 minutes long, but that is a lot longer than it seems when one is stood up in front of a bunch of people who, while very supportive, are also analyzing in order to provide feedback on my effort. It’s only 11 days away so I have to get my skates on as I want to have my talk clear in my mind. This will require structuring whatever I choose to say. But my topic will probably be something about my own life. This helps the group to get to know more about my background while also testing my vocal techniques.
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Wow Julia,
It seems you are super organised and have become super disciplined. Without developing those skills I don’t see how anyone could make it work.
Your approach may well, in the future, compare with all the foundational groundwork and massive amount of posting done by Sean Mize to ezinearticles that, ultimately, kicked started his path to success.
I understand clearly what you explain in your first two sections because they are so well explained and very detailed.
Detailed enough, in act, for me to NOT want to use Social to the same degree as you. Yes I am cash poor and time rich, but as you kept reminding us it’s a Social Platform. I like people but generally I am not a FB person. And there is more than one way to skin a cat.
But that is not to say that I can’t take part one of your teachings and run with it. Creating the relationships and helping people for several weeks within FB groups. After that, however, I would want to start building an email list from people I could most help within the “20” groups, direct them to a blog and also get them onto an email list.
I don’t want all my best stuff just getting posted within FB groups for all to see, I want my best stuff to be reserved for those joining my list, so they could feel special and privileged and in the “know” for being on my list.
That is not to say I would not post excellent, actionable stuff in the FB groups. But just good enough to wet their appetite for more, and for more they would have to join my list. Upon joining they would be richly rewarded, immediately, with a quality, free, information product. From that point I would build upon relationships made in the FB groups, and therefore increase levels of trust, before offering my own, or suitable affiliate, products that help them, precisely, with what they are crying out for.
Looking forward to Part 3.
And a couple of questions:…How do you motivate,and discipline yourself to spend weeks within FB groups, some of which you can’t really condone, due to “iffy” behaviour and language?
You made it clear that you need to be single minded with an eye on your ultimate goal, but do you have any secrets…meditation. time management tricks and tips etc etc etc…that help to keep you sane and your mind laser targetted on the task in hand.
You are in and out of FB groups, nowadays, after all that preliminary hard work, using your own, unique system, but you needed steely discipline to achieve that….How did you build up that habit…especially when dealing with groups that became distasteful to you?
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Hi Sean,
I have a least one dormant FB fan page I made a few years back, that I could resurrect. But do Fan pages work anymore?
Or do I have to open another type of page?
As you can see I am totally out of the loop about how FB now works business-wise. That’s probably down to the fact that I’ve never really got my head around FB being the catalyst for traffic, despite the mass of information it holds that can be tapped into.
So you will have to excuse my ignorance when it comes to inviting people…who would that be? And what type of setup should the FB page should be built around..Is it anything like a Fan page?
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Hi Sean,
If it were possible to help 5 people a day, say on Facebook for example, and they became solid, loyal, happy to pay, followers, because I gave them what they really wanted, then I would never stop building my list.
But can this be done without a bankroll of cash?
Can this still be done on a shoestring budget, and not take forever (within a year)?
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So true Bruce. And it applies to me particularly, at the moment, as I am at a crossroads in my online business endeavours!!
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Hi Bruce and Happy New Year to you.
The opportunity, as a middleman, is a good one but it does require a bank of at least £900 behind one. I need to earn that and then get out of my comfort zone into face to face meetings and business presentations.
I only require a handful of clients to sign up for all manner of web services and I can then re-invest part of that money into a high level training with a world class mentor and trusted friend. The company providing the services is established and not fly by night.
I take on board your comments on the demise of the middleman in certain areas although I do not see this happening, generally, for a good while yet. In any case I only need it to work for me for a limited time to gain the bank and funds I need to go from a crawl to a walk. Anything I may earn above that would be gravy.
I can not replace the company providing the services as I am not an expert in SEO or Cloud Services or Web page building etc ext etc, so I could not and would not really want to try and replace them. My interests lie elsewhere.
The idea is to gain my bank within 6 months, or a calendar year at most. Surely that is possible? I’m only talking £12000 over a year, less than half the average wage in the UK. If there isn’t a simple way to do that online, then maybe it’s time to give up with IM in general.
Thanks for your comments anyway. At least you tried to guide me. As you are primarily a writer I did not expect you to have a ready made system for me to get stuck into. But maybe there is one such person among the other 106 of us!!
I doubt I will get anymore offers of help until next week anyway now.
I agree with you on the 80/20 split on how these things develop. But even you concluded that the promises to help had seemingly evaporated… and that is more like a 95/5 split which is not too healthy.
And a greater number of individuals have asked for help than have provided “valuable” guidance.
Finally, if I get no workable methods I shall just have to figure it out myself… by hook or by crook as they say.
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Hi Julie,
If you can keep that schedule up for a month or two, until it becomes a habit, you will be, I am sure, well on your way to building the foundations of something very special.
Great plan..Now go make it happen.
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Yes Bruce,
Will try that out once the forum has settled down.
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Thanks Bruce,
Silly me!…I was not aware, or had forgotten, about how to check for messages. I had two awaiting me (one from you). So I have now replied to both.
Your routine appears to be an excellent basis for a daily activity template, to utilize when checking into PreneurPal.
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Personally guys I’m with Bruce and Malik on New Year resolutions. They have become media lead and media driven, particulars in the weigh loss category.
But Hey Scott whatever works for you. For me any day is a good day to start on the path toward a goal.
Resolutions also tend to put false deadlines in front of you, with little or no bad consequences if you fail. Because if you fail in January 2018 there is always January 2019…Right???
As for habit forming timetables. I have also read about the 60 to 70 day timeline as Sean and Bruce have mentioned, but, again, it depends on how hard wired the habit, you are trying to quit, has become within your own psyche.
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I can, also, see Bruce’s point but then it depends upon how each new member decides to react to the output of the prolific contributors. They can use it as a rich resource and interact when they have the time, or they can hide away in a corner, but, whatever the situation, it is down to the individual to decide.
The majority of the current 104 members joined around the same time and I don’t think it’s the top contributors that is frightening them off. My guess is that it is the usual issues of life that get in the way. Or, more likely, and let’s be honest, the initial clammer of interest started to die down around 3 weeks launch.
It does not put me off, in the slightest, that there are people who have contributed a lot more than me. Rather it keeps up my spirits and helps nudge me into keeping a regular, if small, input going.
I am more concerned with the majority of the group’s lack of participation, and how we might help to improve it. But I honestly doubt if the productivity of the top contributors is more than just a side issue for other members, whether they be relatively new or 6 week veterans.
The sad part, and the elephant in the room, is that most of the group won’t even read this thread anyway because they don’t log in often enough to see it, before it disappears among the growing number of other questions.
I have personally critiqued email sequences, videos and a website over the last few weeks and the two members concerned paid only the barest of lip service to my comments. Both have now been absent from the forum for around 3 weeks. I am not blaming them for that (human nature) but if there is one thing that disheartens me it is helping others who won’t on most occasions bother to recognize your efforts in even the smallest way.
Why ask for help and then if you don’t like what you hear, go off and continue to do same thing? At least they could give reason why they disagree with you. Even a “thanks but no thanks” would suffice.
Saying all of that if I have failed to acknowledge any piece of advice given to me in this forum I sincerely apologize. I will have simply lost track over time. You are all welcome to remind me, via private message, if I have been remiss.
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Hi Jan,
I will try my best to take a look and get back to you. But I would advise you keep this thread open as long as you can, to allow maximum participation.
It might be worth private messaging individuals so you get a clearer picture faster. Maybe every member who has contributed within the last 7 days might be a starting point.
Favouriting the thread is a great comment from Bruce and I started doing that myself only about a week ago. So if and when you contact others ask them to do the same.
I am going to sign up now before I retire to my bed:)
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Hi Julia,
It is the Members last Active list I was referring to.
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Hi Bruce,
I appreciate that. You are a kind and generous soul. But a lot of what I have to do must be initiated and followed through by me. Something I have failed to do consistently in the past.
But I do appreciate you are always there to give guidance and advice. I’m not sure PreneurPal deserves you as a member to be honest.
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Bruce,
As you are well aware from other communications I have had with you, that I don’t yet have a website and/or URL.
But this will change in the not too far distant future.
I continue to look for a part time job, but getting one is extremely difficult, if nigh impossible, due to other circumstances.
I have to somehow force a way through and it’s bloody difficult.
And we can’t downsize, we (my wife and I) live in rented property for which we pay well below the market value for rent.
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Hi Jen,
I’m sure you have heard this all before but you have to make your business part of your routine. It helps that you are interested in what you are doing. Make it a habit and increase output, if possible, exponentially to start with until you get some traction and start earning money.
Hard slog work in the beginning equals easier more systematic, and smarter work later.
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Great work Julia,
Thanks for being so unselfish and helping us all to avoid a possible pitfall.
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Hi Robert,
Well you simply click on any profile pic. You can do it within Pal Core access if you like. That takes you to the profile of the person in question. You will see three rectangular boxes. The first is to do with friendships within the group. The others are for pubic and private messaging. I have sent a friend request to and you can now, either, accept or cancel. It’s entirely up to you and no offence will be taken if you decline.
Hope that helps.
Les
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Thanks Bruce,
I am beginning to find out just how much preparation is needed. I know from the guy who co-ordinates the Ted talks that some Ted talkers prepare for up to 6 months before doing a talk, and most for at least 3 months. The end result is a smooth, engaging and, usually, excellent presentation. My first effort will be a lot shorter than an average Ted talk, but I could, still, have done with a couple more weeks for myself.
Thee are no born speakers, it is a skill that can be learned. I will give my best in the time I have.
As you say practice is the key. Not only will I do it in front of a mirror. I will also do it on webcam and review several times before the actual day comes.
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Hey Bruce,
That should give you a break from PreneurPal then…lol..although the input to this group might therefore drop somewhat!
Good luck with the move my friend. It can be a stressful time.
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Hi Robert,
Thanks for the encouragement. I certainly hope I can find the right track and the right work balance sooner rather than later.
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As always Bruce wise advice,
That is one of the problems with groups like this, (or at least it is for me) I get carried away asking questions when Google and YouTube are always on hand and with a little research will usually deliver what I’m after.
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Hi Sean,
Getting involved in other FB groups where possible future customers/clients need help would seem like a logical starting point.
But what should my own FB page look like nowadays?
It was several years since I built a fanpage and over a period of about a month I added content in the form of Comments, Memes, video clips etc etc.
I added 2 or 3 pieces of information a day. Is that still the way to do it?
Because you can’t really invite people to a FB page if you only have couple of pieces of information and it’s patently only been going a few days.
So whilst I am growing relationships and offering help inside other relevant FB groups, should I be building out my own FB page in the background, in preparation for inviting those I help to visit regularly and comment, share etc.?
Should I have a website setup prior to all of this?
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Hi Bruce,
I get what you say. And to be honest I don’t think it would be wise to try and become expert or be “over” lots of Social media channels.
I have read that 4 is plenty. Now those 4 could be big boys like FB and Youtube…or smaller Like tumblr or Pinterest. Medium is obviously smaller, but could still be useful as it has proven to be for you.
Yes I guess iI have to let Sean off the hook on the Medium thing because his dealings with ezinearticles, and the like, are far behind him now.
I just wish I could avoid FB when it comes to traffic and ads, because it’s a minefield. It’s getting harder to manage and, to be honest, I hate ramming business down people’s throats on a Social first application. Even Mark Z is supercharging the social side and as a direct consequence forcing up ad prices.
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Should have known it was you Bruce,
I think Quora is a viable platform for building a list. I, personally, have daily emails about different aspects of Word War 2 (a big side interest of mine) And I always make time to read them. It can become quite addictive in fact. So if it interests me, I’m sure that many others feel the same.
The many and varied subjects covered under Quora could well mean that Quora may be a diamond in the rough and help to kick start an online business, while simultaneously building an audience for oneself.
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Thanks Bruce,
I guess you just confirmed my fears.
On the whole I tend to agree with you, but even more so with Facebook.
However, I have never heard of Medium, so it intrigues me a little. Maybe it could become a piece of the puzzle I’m missing. But I am surprised that Sean has not (to my knowledge) recommended Medium, especially because of his background in how he started getting his brand recognized through EzineArticles in the days of the Wild West. Even Sean admits that doing what he did, back then, would not work for people now, even if they worked as crazy hard as he did.
With all that said I will still look into Medium and see what it might offer to me.
I must thank you further Bruce, for always having something thoughtful to suggest, whether I find your suggestions useful to me or not. I am sure others in the group also benefit from your wide knowledge of so many elements of online business, whether they ask questions or not.
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Hi Scott,
Thanks for your input. I agree generally with what you say, except that I’m not quite sure if the renewed activity of a handful of regular contributors will generate much more commitment by the majority.
We have to accept the 80/20 rule as Bruce alluded to, but the split is currently, and alarmingly, closer to 95/5.
To be honest I don’t really have a solution. Although Sean’s recent launch of Member’s tutorials will hopefully stir a few more members into mutually supporting one another.
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Hi Kristen,
Thanks for your reply. But I don’t clearly understand what you mean by money blocks.
My wife and I already have a debt management agreement in position. And have had this for 12 years.
I am simply looking for simply, dependable ways to earn a very limited income, so that I can build a very modest bank in a relatively short period of time. (6 months say)
Does your course provide this?
As I said, I am only talking about raising (£1000 per month after say, 6 months)I don’t see that as being over ambitious.
Would you be able to send me a private message or shall I email you?
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Thanks for that Sean,
Yes, as you have also read, I have my own tough decisions to make, before I can become as valuable a member as I would like to be in this forum.
And it is for that reason that I might well have to limit my own contributions until I find a way through my current problems.
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Thanks for taking time out to help me Bruce,
I will give the article and those sources the once over. Although I am familiar with the first 3 in your list.
But I do have a backup idea of my own ( to make bank this year) which I am slowly trying to form into a coherent strategy, if all else fails.
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Thanks Bruce,
I’m well aware of the minefields associated with SEO. But the company I would be directing business toward are on top of such things. Effort to get clients would not be massive, but would be continuous until I had several, but getting out of my comfort zone would be. But the rewards for testing yourself and getting out of your comfort zone are higher than any cash gained. And this company do not just concentrate upon SEO they have many other strings to their bow.
As I inferred this is simply a stepping zone. The whole idea of being a middle man is that you don’ have to be an expert. And this is purely stop gap. I have wasted years and years and years procrastinating and not pushing through. So even trying something and giving my all and still failing would be an improvement.
But as I said I can not take on the opportunity until I have a small bank (£900, so until that happens I can’t do anything anyway. But it’s NOT a “BSO” it’s a recommendation from a mentor of mine who has been successful online for about the same time as Sean. He is a World Class copywriter (and I don’t say that lightly). And businessmen worth hundreds of millions have sought out his help. he has turned down far more projects than he has accepted. And he is an NLP expert and Buyer Psychology genius. And I am underplaying rather than building him up. So please don’t be concerned with my source.
You would like the guy I am talking about. He is based in the UK and is one of the good guys and entirely genuine. What you see is what you get.(similar to Sean).
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Hi Jan,
I liked the YouTube video concise, and to the point, also well presented in a clear resonant voice.
You have a new YouTube channel subscriber:)
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LOL Scott..we all know that would be a 2 horse race, and not even the Grinch would be quick enough to steal the thoroughbreds carrying the two of you.
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